No.47373 in revised Railfreight "red stripe" livery. Find many great new & used options and get the best deals for Lima class 47 D1574 British Rail Green Livery UNBOXED at the best online prices at eBay! Later regional variations included some interesting changes for the Class8P passenger types in particular. [8] The review had been launched in September 2018 and was led by Keith Williams. This was later modified for locomotives allocated to the Civil Engineer's department to include a yellow stripe on the upper bodyside, the resulting livery being known as "Dutch" due to its similarity to the corporate colours of the Nederlandse Spoorwegen.[18]. Except their is massive nostalgia for BR days. Every TfW station I've been to are still ATW-branded (in fact, Hereford yesterday). The final decision was to be made later in 2022,[16] but the result has not been announced as of February 2023. It does look better than red. Within a period of 10 years, HSTs had three different liveries. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. I have heard that the BR double arrows will remain in use due to the fact that in the UK everyone recognises it as the 'train station' symbol. The special saloons and a few other special coaches were also repainted in chocolate and cream but regular former GWR coaches carried maroon. When British Rail operations were divided into sectors in the mid-1980s, prior to privatisation, a new version of the Railfreight livery emerged giving the sectors individual identities. We will probably get something like this Shorthand and in general parlance yes, but Great British Railways will be a brand that the DfT will want to get out there sooner rather than later, even if it is just a vinyl on top of existing TOC names. Class 14s D9537 (in desert sand livery) and D9539 prepare a double-head a train on the Ribble Steam Railway. Create an account to follow your favorite communities and start taking part in conversations. Variants where the band was blue (outer suburban) or green (inner suburban) instead of orange were planned, but never implemented.[15]. Could GBRTT be right for you? The first and second MKC signs are pretty classy and look good. [13], On 5 February 2022, the Department for Transport launched a public consultation for the location of GBRs headquarters. The distinctive angular shape of the HST power cars did not lend itself to applying yellow on the leading face, so the yellow was wrapped around and extended along the side of each power car, although the coaches retained the usual Rail Blue coaching stock livery. Find out more and ask any questions/give us feedback in this thread . Erm are you sure about that? From 1956 maroon (similar to crimson lake) was adopted as the standard colour for coaching stock, with corridor coaches lined and non-corridor plain initially: later on all stock was lined. | Page 27 | RailUK Forums We're pleased to announce the launch of our new booking engine at tickets.railforums.co.uk, which helps support the running of the forum with every ticket purchased. It does because it's public perception. If Scotland leaves the UK it must become British Rail as Britain is defined as just England & Wales! TL:DR - if your a british collector, and you paint your own, PUT THE STRIPPER DOWN. Sponsor Post - registered members do not see these adverts; I wanted to go for something modern yet flexible. Construction of the first locomotive was completed in the final week of September 1957, and the handing-over took place on 31 October. It will also control the contracting of passenger train services, the setting of fares and timetables, and the collection of fare revenue, with the exception of services wholly within Scotland and Wales. This is "straight out of 1975": I'm inclined to disagree there. And if Northern are still running trains to Glasgow, a new paint job would be a great moment for the Government to stump up for good rolling stock. You are using an out of date browser. InterCity (or, in the earliest days, the hyphenated Inter-City) was introduced by British Rail in 1966 as a brand-name for its long-haul express passenger services (see British Rail brand names for a full history).. The Great British Railways Transition Team is developing a range of rail freight growth target options. Great British Railways: Livery, branding and appearance? Then theres the question of livery. Great Britain (or just Britain) is the mainland of England, Scotland and Wales. What possible negatives are there to none enthusiasts? It highlighted different ways in which Westminster could invest in Britains strategic transport network to better-integrate the nation. The new livery was used with the introduction of the Hastings Line electrification in 1986 to promote new electric trains on that line. This included many of the features which were later incorporated in the Mark 2, and trialled in an experimental train designated XP64. I might take an example railway station (I'm thinking Rugby) and design signage made for that specific station, to see how things could look practically Not convinced. Dedicated station management teams will be created within regional divisions of GBR to manage stations and land. He branded the Prime Minister an English nationalist, who was prepared to ignore Northern Ireland as the Conservatives have no electoral stake in the Province. The name is still awful though and far too long. True. You also get a more legible and cohesive transport system. Standing on the sidelines of national politics and shouting is just what capital-U Unionism does now. I think you are mixing up ownership with some form of ideological uniformity. This page was last edited on 28 January 2023, at 18:28. Sponsor Post - registered members do not see these adverts; Im unsure about the livery as such, but if Great British Railways is taken forward, Id expect GBR to feature. Privacy Noticeand Website Accessibility. The old Northern signs worked well, but only Metro/WYCA really got behind the co-branding opportunities, that I saw. One thing that might work, though, would be to drop the full text from the red band and just have a subtle double arrow on the right hand side in that. [17] This livery is also often nicknamed 'toothpaste livery' by rail enthusiasts due to the multicoloured stripes resembling striped toothpaste. A nod to the past in the liveries would be nice like with the modern GWR too. It might have the operator identified in a small way too. Oct 22, 2021 All that remains, is to remember the man who made the Journey possible; the greatest engineer of all time and the architect who built modern Britain - Isambard Kingdom Brunel. Consisting of three shades of grey and thus known as "triple grey Railfreight", the livery included logos on the sides and cabs of locomotives indicating which sector they belonged to. particularly associated with the depots at Old Oak Common and OK, it's not a big change, but Germany tends to do rebrandings very infrequently. On this Wikipedia the language links are at the top of the page across from the article title. Thus Class 47 47170 County of Norfolk, allocated to Stratford and a regular performer on trains between Liverpool Street and Norwich, was painted in Large Logo livery. | Page 23 | RailUK Forums We're pleased to announce the launch of our new booking engine at tickets.railforums.co.uk, which helps support the running of the forum with every ticket purchased. I reckon a simple logo like the one youve depicted will be what we see. Although from the mid-1960s to the 1980s the organisation was associated with "Rail Blue", a number of other schemes were also used, especially when it was split into operating units or "sectors" in the mid-1980s. Aren't best impressions the ones that did the 2015 Virgin East Coast HST? For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Or the awful corporate blue BR? British Railways coaches in the crimson and cream livery used from 1949 Discussions on the livery for British Railways coaching stock in 1948 eventually settled on a network-wide two-tone livery of crimson and cream for corridor coaches, with all-over crimson being used for local, non-corridor stock. Also, yes, the actual report has a typo, it really does say 'refect' instead of 'reflect'. GW 1 1 Great British Railways Great Western Railways/British Railway Western Region. Anyone got a suggestion for the government's latest bright idea today along the same lines, '. If they're bothered about 'red white and blue" then just stick the double arrow in a white background and give it a blue border. We use cookies. The devolved administrations, the combined authorities, and the Greater London Authority will continue to exercise their current powers, such as setting fares and awarding contracts, and will remain democratically accountable for this. Home Forums Several Class 31 locomotives received white waist stripes, these being This includes transport, with the first Union Connectivity Review being published earlier this year. From 1966 until withdrawal, Pullman Coaches were also painted in the reversal of the normal coach livery, with the blue and grey areas transposed. This livery was well received by enthusiasts but as the Class 56s only hauled freight, it was decided to extend the experiment to a passenger loco. It appears that while the plan is to brand all trains under GBR with one branding, that plan involves a much longer time scale: People are understandably sceptical about the frequent rebranding of trains and stations carried out under the privatised system, so the branding will be introduced alongside other improvements. On 10 June 1986, British Rail launched Network SouthEast, an organisation designed to cut across the traditional regional boundaries and deliver a co-ordinated train service for London and the surrounding region. Why do you show the double-arrow logo *and* the words "Great British Railways"? It's the name of the island ffs. Corridor coaching stock and certain express multiple unit classes were painted in Rail Blue with a 44-inch Pearl Grey (BS 2660-9-095) horizontal panel centred vertically on the main windows, outlined by a narrow white line. I don't think the red understripe would appear though, and there will still be calls from TfGM, WYCA TfWM, TfW, etc. The signs look good, if a bit bland and functional. Press J to jump to the feed. Job done. The 1948 trials brought LMS Class 5s, and GWR Kings and Castles in lined light green and lined blue, with incorrect suggestions that two different blues were used. for some form of co-branding. One overarching brand, with sub brands sitting below it, for long distance services and regional brands all under the GBR moniker, much like we do today with Southern, South Eastern, South Western, Northern, etc. In 1956 an all-over darker maroon, which more closely resembled the pre-nationalisation LMS livery, was re-introduced, except for the Southern Region, where locomotive-hauled stock was generally painted 'coaching stock' green (from July 1956-on) and a small number of express carriages on the Western Region which were in traditional GWR-style chocolate and cream. At the moment, the TOC mostly differentiates this. It was formed from the nationalisation of the Big Four British railway companies, and was privatised in stages between 1994 and 1997. You are using an out of date browser. Of course it's possible to do better, but I'd argue there are bigger priorities as long as the signage is fit for purpose. The colours were chosen to be different from those of any of the "Big Four" pre-nationalisation railway companies while retaining a traditional aspect. But we know that anyway - ScotRail is blue based, as was Regional Railways. I don't think the red understripe would appear though, and there will still be calls from TfGM, WYCA TfWM, TfW, etc. The livery derived its nickname from a perceived resemblance to the internal appearance of a Jaffa Cake. As part of this work, the team engaged with industry through a formal call for evidence. (Something that ought to give die-hard advocates of splitting off the Scottish Conservatives pause for thought.) [10], Andrew Haines and Peter Hendy, the current CEO and chairman of Network Rail respectively, are overseeing the establishment of GBR. I would say GWR (single colour) is a far better branding package than Avanti (3 colours). No.90021 in revised Railfreight "triple grey" livery, with Railfreight Distribution sector markings. A throwback to the 70s and 80s can sometimes work, but not often, but I think. This long term strategy for rail will be a landmark resource, enabling a clear and agreed direction for the railway. Cross Country merged with EMT to form a brand called Midland Connect. You are using an out of date browser. The Double Arrow is used for stations on maps, so that's really a no-brainer frankly. The purpose of this call for evidence was to develop an understanding of how much of the current and future market demand for freight could be met by rail, and the role rail can play in the nations supply chains. Question for the designers. Id like GN non-Moorgate stuff to join Greater Anglia, as they dont fit in LNER imo. It will replace Network Rail as the operator of rail infrastructure across all of Great Britain (excluding some Valley Lines in Wales and some Merseyrail lines). We badly need that on the visual mess that is the railway. It really does look dire. BR's first standard locomotive liveries, adopted from 1949 onwards. Something timeless. Particularly if they are just vinyls on white painted trains. I agree I think the NR logo in the circle looks better, but GBR is such a mouthful - its just latent fear of the British Rail brand. Bare minimum, low effort. Just like when a new TOC has taken on a franchise, the old TOC name gets removed and the new TOC name gets badged in top, like a big rectangular sticker. In all of your concepts the Rail Symbol (double-arrow) is far too large for the accompanying lettering, if you're looking to be guided by the original design rules. Which does what it says on the tin. Heh. I never knew I had OCD until that remark lol. Great British Railways (GBR) is a planned state-owned public body that will oversee rail transport in Great Britain,[1] with the exception of Transport for London and Merseytravel services, and light rail and trams elsewhere in England. It may not display this or other websites correctly. And again, there may be scope to take back control of this. [14] After this date, the passenger versions of Class 37 and 47, as well as Class 50, were routinely outshopped in this livery. Historic fact is that Roman Britain was England & Wales and the name Great Britain was adopted once Scotland joined, even though today we may refer of GB as just Britain. The BR that believed in having multiple liveries and brands? No.31271 in Railfreight "triple grey" livery with Construction sector markings. The creation of Great British Railways (GBR) has been dubbed as the end to "a quarter-century of fragmentation" and a means to provide "accountable national leadership". That's a different argument (which I disagee with but that's not for this thread). Japan had JNR (Japan National Railways) and now, post nationalisation, it has JR (Japan Railways). JavaScript is disabled. The infrastructure was privately owned and operated by Railtrack from 1994 to 2002, when it was renationalised and transferred to Network Rail. With the publication of the Williams review and the announcement of the renationalization of British Passenger Rail, i thought i might help out anyone exited for new liveries or branding for trains. Apple Green. Suffice to say, an actual English nationalist would not be passing controversial legislation to enable Westminster to spend even more money on Northern Ireland, as this Government is. Roofs were Dark Grey and underframes originally brown, but later black. So even if that doesn't become the actual 'GBR' logo it will likely see some use on stations and maybe trains. There was a return of some regional schemes: the Western Region turned out some Mk1 sets for named expresses in chocolate/cream, similar to that used by the GWR before nationalisation. Here are his exact words: Hes concerned with the English vote. And other European countries cope with DB trains in France, SNCF trains in Germany etc. The WilliamsShapps plan recommended that there will be a single, unifying brand for railways, and it is expected that this will be a gradual rebranding over time. There are some good brands out there - gWr for example is a superb piece of marketing prowess, alongside the "friendly nostalgia" of the Famous Five advertising. The first break in the uniformity of Rail Blue came in 1976 with the introduction of the first InterCity 125 (HST). Not so much the modern LNER though. More middle days; they were improving quite a bit in the 1990s. The Great British Railways Transition Team (GBRTT) seeks to deliver the most ambitious changes to our railways in a generation, working with the government and across the rail sector. [6], The Vale of Rheidol Railway remained steam operated past the general end of steam traction in 1968; Accordingly the three remaining Vale of Rheidol Railway steam locomotives (Class 98) received the Rail Blue colour scheme and the double arrow logo on their side tanks. 3,609. thomalex said: One of the big ones is an end to endless rebranding of trains when the operator changes with various bit of old livery hanging about for a long time, never mind the cost and waste involved. GBR is similar enough to channel some continuity with BR but distinct enough to admit it's a different entity. Multiple units were also generally green, although this tended to be a lighter and bluer shade compared to the colour used on steam and diesel locomotives. Rail Express Systems was the sector of British Rail responsible for transport of mail and parcels traffic. GBR will develop masterplans for station renewal. Why are so many cars driven around dirty with the user making no attempt to keep them clean? The smokebox, running plate, and running gear remained black, and the bufferbeam remained red. The Southern Region types worked mostly on the Charing Cross / Cannon Street - Hastings via Battle / Dover and Ramsgate routes and on the Victoria / London Bridge - Brighton / Littlehampton / Hastings via Eastbourne routes. The livery was applied only to some Class 309 "Clacton" units on the former Eastern Region and to a few of Classes 411 (4Cep), 419 (MLV) and 421 (4Cig) on the former Southern Region. This mock-up was shown in an orange and grey livery, which, however, never appeared on rolling stock in service. Once we lose TOC branding I certainly think service categories need to return, if only on the Dutch basis of them only describing service patterns rather than anything else. The first Class 31 entered service in November . But theres no particular reason this should be. 19th September, 2019. Because it's not going to be the same as BR. Different NSE style local/commuter networks round the country. Unfortunately, there is little sign that Beattie actually intends to do anything differently, in this regard at least, to the Democratic Unionists he hopes to supplant. I think it'll be more like East Coast (or whatever), the full height of the parallel tracks. In response to this announcement, the Great British Railways Transition Team is looking at changes to support the development of the new industry structure, and considering ways in which the current system can be simplified and improved. I do also like the theory that these regions they mention will be named after old railway companies. There are conflicting view on Britain versus Great Britain. "Great" means "large", not "very good". I'm inclined to disagree. By 2020s Britain, I mean a design that is reflective of modern day marketing and branding. Last week Doug Beattie, the newly-installed leader of the Ulster Unionist Party, hit out at Boris Johnson. Infrastructure, passenger, and freight services were separated at that time. Great British Railways: Livery, branding and appearance? The Tories, particulary this present mob of throwbacks, have long since co-opted the "great" in "Great Britain" to mean "very good"and it's xenophobic, imperialist undertones me me want to vomit. But the move still opens up some possibilities which Michael Gove and the rest of the Governments Union strategy team should consider. 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